Master of Orion 3

The Good
2nd Update: Put more swearing with a lotta soul.

Now I've been playing Master of Orion since it was still in diapers. I've watched it grow from Master of Orion I to Master of Orion II. Now the baby has grown into Master of Orion III, a game I have eagerly and patiently waited for years...only to find out it grew into....a disappointment.

The Bad
What I don't like about the game is an understatement. It's more what I don't get about the game is one area that should be cleared first.

First thing's first, new and innovation is fine. But changing the bloody interface into something that even Veteran Master of Orion players have to start all over to learn is way too much. It was like back in school (and that was a looong time ago) studying math, physics, listening to a teacher that seems to operate on a different dimentional language than you don't understand.

But for it's predeccesor's sake, I tried to be patient and played the game. I learnt it slowly for the next few hours and was able to hold my temper without ripping of the monitor. Suddenly I realized this game doesn't need much manual play. Just leave everything to the Artificial Intelligence (AI) and keep pressing next turn. You just watch as your empire grows, without much help from you. Kinda reminds you of a similiar game: Outpost - a Sierra disaster....just pressing next turn doesn't effect much on the overall game.

I then noticed the technologies aren't what they used to be. In MOO 1 and MOO 2, you leap for joy every time your race discovers a new technology. Now it's just a sentence the beginning of each turn....ho hum. But the thing you gotta love is ship development. Praise be the IDIOT who came up with this idea. Once you make a ship, you can't upgrade it. Yep, you have to scrap it up and create a new one. Do you know how long it took to build the dang thing in the first place anyway? Seriously, I don't know if this is sabotage or just plain idiocy.

Master of Orion 3 lost something very important. It's soul. That is the fact that players like to personalize themselves with every aspect of the game. It's like taking the fun out of character creation from RPG's. This game frustrated me because each turn felt like a routine. My ships were boring, my planets were boring. The only thing that was probably close mentioning as nice was the beginning cinematics.

Anyway, after more than 10 hours of mucking around with the game. I threw the game in the rubbish bin...solitare was more addictive.

The Bottom Line
One word: GAWD! Two words: OH GAWD! Three words: OH MY GAWD! Clear enough?

Final words. After reading again my review, I realized I didn't put enough soul in it. So here goes...

But seriously. This is a personal message to the developers of this game. I don't know why you did it, what big excuse you have for creating such a crappy game. But from a big time fan of Master of Orion, like many who "had" been waiting for this sequel...how can you wake up in the morning, knowing you broke the hearts of all your fans....?

How could you...

The Good
The game certainly seems to offer fresh new ideas, and for the most part it does. A new economic system, more ship sizes, more slots for your designed ships, etc. The game is extremely complex, with a slew of governments, settings for security, espionage, funding etc. etc. Taken alone, each of these features seems to make the game much better.

I must also say that the story is top-notch.

The ground combat has been expanded upon (although some may say complicated) to the betterment of the game in my opinion. There are multiple ground unit types (Infantry, marines, mobile armor, psy-ops etc,) with defender and attacker strategies you can use depending on the situation. Overall the ground combat is more satisfying.

The Bad
Unfortunately, the game is enormously complex and plays extremely slowly. Everything has had multiple layers of complexity added to it, so much so that the game is almost unplayable unless you are either a.) A member of MENSA or b.) Have read the 150 page instruction manual.

After one of those two has been accomplished, you are now actually able to understand the basic workings of the game. Now it is time for you to begin your simulation. Simulation of what you ask? Why, a simulation of a high level bureaucrat!

For you see, the game has radically changed its focus. Away from combat and simple management, towards an advanced simulation of resource allocation and infrastructure designation.

No longer is the game at least fairly intuitive, now, it is like wandering through a deep, thick fog, almost impossible to understand without some type of aid.

A perfect example is the technologies. Before, you had a fairly good idea what you were researching. Advanced laser, ion drive, it was all clear. If you still didn't get it, a clear and concise report on what in-game the tech did would be provided for you. No longer.

Now, the descriptions of the techs are almost always terrible. They provide poor descriptions and most of the time they use words that vaguely sound "futuristic" that you will have no idea what they mean, or what they do. Choosing your techs is almost impossible for all intents and purposes without massive amounts of research and knowledge.

Space combat is also another lack-luster feature. Now, I am a fan of the previous Master of orion games, and I thought the turn-based combat was fine, but, unlike some others, when I heard the combat was going to be real time, I had an open mind about it.

Now I see it was a mistake. The space combat is a step backwards, big time. I intently followed the pre-release of MOO3 (in fact, anticipation for the game inspired me to buy the two prequels) and gobbled up any pre-release info I could find about it. The impression I got was that combat would be a real time strategic affair, a grand array of forces with a multitude of tactics and abilities. The Rome: Total War of tactical space combat if you will.

Instead, I find crappy graphics. Seriously, these graphics suck. Instead of well rendered 3d models with realistic damage and a multitude of control and strategies, I find what is perhaps the most bare-bones space combat ever conceived. You have your ships, move, attack, and that's it. For a game that came out so many years after MOO2, you'd think the space graphics would be good. Instead, MOO2 has vastly superior space graphics.

That wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact the ships are poorly rendered. So poorly rendered in fact you will have difficulty telling what they are, or knowing without a bit of study what type of ship is what. Not that it matters. The game has no space battle strategy at all. Short of ordering your ships not to attack the enemy you cannot effect your chances of winning. The forces you have sent there is 99 percent of your battle. There's nothing you can do to make the battle come out any better than just having the computer auto-resolve. It makes the space combat seem even more boring and ultimately pointless.

Worse yet, it makes the game more about technology and industrial production (oh joy!). There are no epic battles, no turning points, the battles are all decided before you begin.

The game is tedious in other ways also. Instead of allowing you to control how you group and move your ships as you like, it over complicates it by locking the ships into a :task force" system. Ditto for ground forces.

What does this mean? Quite simply it means this. When you build a ship, it doesn't appear at the planet you built it. Oh no, that's way too simple. Instead, it goes into your reserve pool. They then can be assembled at any system with a "staging area" into a task force.

This means that I can build ships on one side of the galaxy and then teleport them into a task force on the other side of the galaxy in a single turn. DId I mention that if you don't put your ships into task forces, they will just hang in limbo? You can't have them defend anywhere, they're just, gone.

And then you have the task forces themselves. Crap. Suppose you want. First of all, its just a pain not being able to move just one or two ships after you've combined them. They are stuck there until the Orions come home.

Second, you can't even combine them like you want. Suppose you want a task force of 50 carriers. Can't have it. You can only form them of certain sizes and they need "escorts" and "picket" ships, which means you ave to add other types of ships. You can't decide for yourself, they force you into it. The only other solution is the group them into tiny groups of 3 or 4 ships. Bad.

The diplomacy is also clunky and slow. The amount of deal options are sad (I can't figure out how to ask my ally to declare war on my enemy!) DIplomacy, rather than having a direct channel, instead its like E-Mail You offer something, two turns later he gets your message and sends a reply etc. It makes diplomacy long and drawn out. This wouldn't be so bad if diplomacy was anymore complex in here than in other similar games.

The AI is decent. After the patch, it has become aggressive and will actually attack you, but the "planet viceroy" (The ai that controls your planets) is still inadequate. They'll often make poor military ship choices and overall it keeps you busy changing their building que. Unless of course, you want dozens of out-dated useless ships in your "reserve".


The Bottom Line
Simply buy Master of Orion 2.

The Good
This game is an amazingly complex simulation of a star-spanning empire, with details down to the planetary region level in all sorts of things. This is not a game about micromanaging a shallow simulation, but one about managing a complex one.

One particularly interesting change is the introduction of task forces into naval operations. Although you can still design your own ships, that is done with regard to their designed role in a TF; it is the TF that must be carefully crafted for a specific mission. Although the combat module is generally less interactive than in previous games, the effects of TF composition and layout can be very substantial.

The Bad
Sadly, most of the simulation is simply invisible to the player, and even some of what is visible can't be influenced directly.

Back in the early 90s, Sid Meier gave a talk at a CGDC entitled "How I almost ruined Civilization". He discussed several key elements and decisions in the design of that classic in terms of analyzing "who was having all the fun". If the value of a given feature was something you could point proudly to in front of other game designers, but that a player would not notice, that was letting the designer have all the fun. If the simulation was extremely detailed and beyond the ken of the human player, that was letting the computer have all the fun.

Sadly, in the form that it finally shipped, MoO3 is a game where too often the computer has all the fun. During the first couple of years of development, the plan was to have a deep simulation that the player could see all the way down to the bottom in, but a limited pool of "Imperial Attention" points which were needed to actually manipulate things. If you wanted to micromanage the production on one planet you could, but it would reduce how much attention you could give to other things that turn. Unfortunately, in playtesting this idea didn't work out. The Imperial Attention points were dropped, and the UI was simplified to get rid of immense levels of detail that would bog down a player for days per turn. But on the whole, those detailed calculations were still there - you just couldn't see or manipulate them.

The result was that all too often your simulated planetary governors would make a decision based on priorities and information that you simply could not see, and it looked like they were just arbitrarily doing stupid things. Even worse, there were some bugs in the data, and some stupid decisions were effectively forced by the bad data entries.

After 3 patches, most of the cases where this happens are no longer visible, but there's still a frustration that you can't see the details behind some of the numbers.

The Bottom Line
On the whole, it doesn't come close to displacing MoO2 because it's really not the same sort of game at all. Taken on its own, it's an interesting game about empire management, but it's really going to appeal only to those gamers who like both military simulations like the (earlier) MoOs and serious management games like 1830.

The Good
Well MOO3 did have a really interesting story in the manual, it was a little hard to follow sometimes but overall not too bad. Oh. wait you wanted to know about the game.... well I guess nothing.

The Bad
Seriously there is next to nothing good about MOO3. The interface is one of the most difficult un-editied pieces of crap to ever hit the PC world. It took nearly 300 turns of gameplay to figure out half of the controls. Oh, and the controls there really isnt any. Basicly MOO3 is the first game in the history of PC gaming that doesnt require a person to play it. I'am not kiddding folks! This game basicly holds back many of the normal controls that a person is used to doing on their own. And with no off button to be found, its a big pain in the butt. About the only functions you control in this game is the "general" and I do mean general direction of the game. You tell the computer in what range you like someting and the PC decides what to do. The only real control you do have is with two buttons, the next turn button and the exit button. The graphics are not just bad they are a disgrace. I have read many a review where a person will use that word to decribe a game, but never have I thought it really true. However for MOO3 the title sticks. The main control screen graphics are ok but not flashy. But where MOO3 really lets down the game buyer, is in the ship combat screen. No joke MOO2 has at least 3 generations of advancement of ship graphics on MOO3. My wife who has only played a few PC games (Sim city 3000, Rollercoaster Tycoon) described the look of the Ship combat screen as very similar to Atari, and she is right. They really are just like the old Atari 2600 games.

Now I just love the Master of Orion series, so when I was confronted with this game I would not accept that it was crap. I played I think around 500 turns on my first game. And was starting to see a little light at the end of the tunnell, when the game declared another race the winner because they controled the council. Now that civ was the only member of the council so it was a no brainer that they would head it up. On my next 3 games I tried all I could to find out what I was doing wrong. I was sure if I just changed this or tried that, the game would work. I even wondered if there was a missing menu of options that I simply had not found that would save the day. Sadly no menu was found nor tatic work. I felt like Ponce De Leon searching for the fountain of youth. Or the other spaniards looking for the 7 cities of gold. Lots of labor and love for squat.

The Bottom Line
Sadly, the wost game I have ever played in the 15+ years of my gaming history. Not did it just fail to live up to my hopes, it didnt even come close to being a bad game. Collect it for its place in gaming history, cause I doubt they can make another one this bad anytime soon. I seriously wonder if that was their intention all along

The Good
I've played MOO3 some time ago, with only one opponent in a huge galaxy, just to learn the effects of my decisions, because it's really complicated stuff beneath the simple interface..and finally, after one night of efforts, I had over 400 planets, with tens of thousands of ships, most of them, if not all, of obsolete designs and a score of 13(?)millions (after finding all Xs).

This is not a game in which you are the big daddy controlling every aspect of life, like a pharaoh who has a dream and decides to build a great city in the desert...no, the civilization itself makes the right (or wrong) decisions about where to expand (even if you might prefer not -so- close to the enemy), what and where to build (hey,where's my piggy farm on that breadbasket planet?!) and what races they like or not. (Please, do not alienate my Sakkra allies!)

The only big decisions you make are in 4 fields:

1. Diplomacy: You decide who gets what treaties, what are the technologies exchanges, if you want to be at war or not, who are your allies.

2. Development plans! Yes,you heard right...the odd, ugly DEA interface where you can make HUGE differences about whatever your empires is discovering new tech, building infrastructure, address starvation problems, or worst...resource shortage.The Biggest plan you can make is on "All planets". My setting is usually: "primary:blank", "secondary:infrastructure" and "tertiary:research", then on crisis situations you can fill the Primary objective with mines or food or military(colonization vessels included!). It's quite pointless to be more specific, but you can try to be, for the fun and experience of being the Big Brother.

3. Military design: Even if it's an automated feature which is highly recommended, I also recommend to delete your transport early in the game, as well as military bases, in order to allow the AI to concentrate on building colony ships (and set auto-colonization on, this will remove a headache of always knowing when your ships are ready and put them on active duty). It's a great idea to build smaller IF (missiles) ships, which get ready early on, when needed, then continue with larger carriers and finally, short and long range beams. In this game, missiles are your best friend for dealing with aliens, but in order to defeat the Antareans, you have to use exclusively carriers (about 20 armadas will do the trick). Always obsolete (but DO NOT scrap) designs in which you have too many ships, because the very poor AI tends to build less expensive models exclusively, almost.

4. Tech: Early on,concentrate on getting mines better, after that, usually invest in Physics and Energy. That can make a huge leap over your competition.

So, you cannot decide what and where to build, where are your colonies going to be, you do not always understand fully the new technologies(as IT IS in normal life), if you are at war or peace..but the great satisfaction to be the "invisible hand" beneath your civilization (and not just a lousy dictator) is unequal to all the other games I've played since.

The Bad
The very, very poor AI gets you mad: it's a game of colonization, mostly (and that's fully automatic in my games), you never get attacked, the other races are very polite and do not declare war except when you are a hated race by their people (in this case, as in normal life, you cannot change much, so you cannot choose your allies and your enemies).

Combat screen is fun to watch, but the game is too unbalanced on the advantage of missiles and fighters over direct fire(like in real life, maybe). The key is to equip your ships with early missiles and small fighters, but lots of them!(On my Leviathan carriers I have 100 squads of plasma fighters.)

Sometimes,d espite your great efforts, your viceroys forget to build farms, starving the whole empire (and have to go at DEA screen, the most important in the game), otherwise you set up some projects, but they all get ..-1 turns to complete! Otherwise you'll have mines on farming planets, exclusively, 3 to 4 military DEAs on one planet or more than one gov DEA.

And there are others, countless bugs (like setting Military defense as primary on new conquered planets and see the AI building ..Mobilization Centers!!! instead of shields and guns).

The only unrealistic detail is the ability to warp your ships across the galaxy at the mobilization centers.

The Bottom Line
That's a must if you want to learn how to rule a country in modern times, it also gets you into the diplomatic problems, like being unable to choose your enemies and your allies, despite your personal agenda.

It's a game I like and played it a lot. Even if tends to be boring in the beginning, you'll be rewarded greatly later.

The Good
This game is so addicting that I couldn't stop playing! The learning curve isn't too steep, but a newbie to the series might have a bit of trouble getting the hang of it. The new movies and sounds are a really nice touch. The graphics during combat have also been improved. Indeed if anyone liked Civ3 than this is a super choice for them. Master of Orion 3 lets you choose between tons of different races to start colonizing with. Personally, I think the new menu system is a great feature, and its a thrill to customize your own starship. Colonizing is a sinch, but keeping the colony under control and safe is what you the player must do.

The Bad
There's not much a true strategy fan would dislike about this game. The Foreign Affairs system isn't flawless and you might find yourself sending the same offers to the same representatives. The game is still challenging even on easy settings. The combat system has its moments, but overall this game is an excellent addition to any fan!

The Bottom Line
This game takes patience and time. Learning through all the features is tiring, but there are hints along the way. The AI pretty much does its own thing for you, but you have to be careful on how the AI runs your planet. The long wait is finally over...grab a copy of Master of Orion 3 and start conquering galaxies today!